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January 21, 2008

Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

I'm currently trying out a set of Green Diamond Tires on our front wheel drive Toyota Sienna. They're much quieter than studded snow tires, and seem to work very well in general, though they don't grip sheet ice as well as new studded snow tires.

by John Gaudio, Posted 9:37 AM MST, Picked up by Google, approx. 2:00 AM MST, 01/22/08

Imagine a tire with thousands of small industrial diamonds molded right into the rubber.  Initially it looks and feels like an all weather tire with a smooth rubber surface, but after a thousand or so miles on dry pavement, the outer layer of the tire wears away to expose these "diamonds" made of silicium carbide.  Like the studs on a typical studded snow tire, they stick out just a little bit to grip the snow, and to a lesser extent, the ice on which we travel.

They don't stick out as far as the studs on new studded snow tires, but there are many more of them, and because they're embedded throughout the rubber of the tire, they're constantly being replaced as the tire wears down.

I first heard about Green Diamond Tires on the radio, and contacted the Denver based distributor to learn more about them.  It's strongly recommended that you always put four Green Diamond tires on a car, not just two in the front or on the back, and the distributor, Rich Gostenik, worked through my local Big O Tires store to get me a set for review at about half price.  They've been on my car for a little under three months now, Fall into Winter, so while my data is limited, they seem to work well.  My wife, Madonna, especially likes the fact that they're so quiet on dry pavement.

One major advantage is that unlike conventional studded snow tires, Green Diamond Tires can be used year round.  Also, they're supposed to last about 45,000 miles.  I don't have direct data on the tire mileage yet, but that would be much better than I typically get from studded snow tires.  I also like the idea of not having to change and store tires twice a year. 

Another review I looked at, linked below, brings up the question of handling problems under changing road conditions at highway speeds.  I haven't had the opportunity to test that yet, and hope it will not be an issue.  I also don't know yet what effect, if any, the Green Diamond Tires are having on my gas mileage.  Gas mileage on our Sienna seems to be down in the last few months, but I don't know if that's attributable to the tires or not.  Time will tell.

In short, while I'm no expert on tires, the Green Diamond Tires seem to be as good as, or better than, new studded snow tires, except for situations involving sheet ice, and possible changing road conditions at highway speeds.  They're certainly much quieter on dry pavement, and the idea of having just one set of tires that works as well as studded snow tires in nearly all conditions, and for all seasons, really appeals to me.  This is especially true in Colorado where the seasons change not four times a year, but six or ten times a day in some cases, going  from dry pavement to packed snow, to ice, to wet, and back again, all in the course of a day trip through the mountains in Fall, Winter, or Spring.

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Green Diamond Tires

Folowup?
John, did you do a followup blog entry on Green Diamond tires at the end of your trial?
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Green Diamond Tires Generally Good After a Year.

I haven't posted a follow up yet, but except for one problem, which was handled beautifully, I've been very pleased with my Green Diamond tires.

by John Gaudio

The tires worked well for the winter, and are very quiet and drive beautifully on dry pavement during the summer.  I love not having to change tires twice a year, and not having to store four more tires in my garage.  I'll probably get another set of Green Diamond tires for my all wheel drive Previa van when its current sets of winter and summer tires bite the dust.

A week ago I noticed considerable vibration, and my mechanic found that it was caused by some sort of belt separation inside my rear left Green Diamond tire.  This caused a raised area, which wore the tread down in just that one spot, and caused the vibration.  I contacted my Big O dealer, who contacted their Green Diamond distributor.  The next day Green Diamond had supplied two new tires, and Cory at Big O had put them on my car, all for no charge.

They chose to swap two tires because they didn't want there to be a difference in the tread wear on two tires on the same axle.  I was impressed at the service, and the fact that both Big O and Green Diamond went out of their way to take excellent care of me.

I don't know how often this sort of failure occurs, but nobody's perfect, and you separate the professionals from the wannabes based on how they handle problems.  From what I've seen so far, both Green Diamond and Big O come under the heading of professionals.

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Thanks for helpful info

Thanks for the helpful info and follow-up. 

I discovered Green Diamond at the Earthworks Expo in Denver this past summer. I listened to Rich talk about his product and answer some questions from another interested attendee; my conclusion is that he and his company are trying, in various ways, to earn my (green) business and I would very much like to support them. 

With several instances of winter weather already in the Colorado high country, and the thought of changing to annoyingly loud studded snows on my (already loud) mid-90s Subaru wagon, I'm looking into GD tires. I also *really* like the idea of just one set of tires (and less stuff in my cluttered garage would be another bonus). If I get some GDs, I will try to remember to post at least a brief follow-up.
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Green Diamond Tire

... in sincere appreciation

Hello, all...

I truly appreciate the posts to John's blog.  As a relatively new and fledgling USA company that recycles passenger and light truck tires using highly proprietary Icelandic technology, we know that we are somewhat of a "David" taking on the "Goliaths" of the major tire manufacturing industry.  To-date, ware bucking the odds and our GDTs are gaining exponential acceptance among those folks that truly 'get it' regarding energy conservation, eco-sustainability, and lessening carbon footprint.  Environmental benefits aside, our customers are discovering that a recycled product can actually out-perform the very product from which they are made.  Again we, of GDT are so very appreciative of all of our customers and the viral word-of-mouth advertising.  Should anyone have questions or comments concerning GDTs, please feel free to contact me.  Your call or email shall command my immediate attention.  Rich Gostenik / Owner / Green Diamond Tire / Rich@GreenDiamondTire.com / 866.380.0009 toll-free.  Kind regards.

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RE: Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

Green Diamond Problems

I purchased four Green Diamonds about 3 years ago. They have worn extremely well and the traction is excellent - I live in Alaska with almost 9 months of winter. However, a friend of mine had problems with the tires causing her car to pull to one direction and I recently discovered that mine were doing the same. After a rotation and alignment my mechanic says that this is a typical problem with Green Diamond tires because of the way they are made. Since then I have found that the dealer where I bought the tires no longer sells them due to problems.

 


 

Kristi,

Thank you for your comment.  I called Richard Gostenik, owner of Green Diamond Tire, North America, who tells me they build tires based on available casings from multiple sources, and while pulling is generally associated with casing problems, Green Diamond's lifetime warranty applies to any structural issue with the tire, even if it has to do with a structural issue with the casing.  If it's a structural issue, the tire should be covered under warranty.

Richard further tells me that failures are typically 2% for all new tires.  For Green Diamond tires, with the recycled casings, the rate is typically 4%.  Richard is currently purchasing non destructive testing equipment to find and eliminate these problems at the factory.

Finally, he says to date there have been no catastrophic failures, and while it's not possible to promise there never will be, Richard is working hard to maintain that record.  In fact, he is expanding production in North America.  Please contact him, Richard Gostenik, Owner of Green Diamond Tire North America, at his website, www.greendiamondtire.com, if you or your friend have any further questions.

John G.

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RE: Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

Hello to all reading this post.  It is with gratitude to John Gaudio for being so diligent in his research and fair in his postings.  Rich Gostenik here... owner of Green Diamond Tire - North America.  I wish to take a few moments to expand on Kristi's experience and John's comments above.

At present, GDT is going through a bit of a metamorphosis... that being: from a smallscale boutique manufacturer of remolded passenger and light truck tires to one of becoming just a bit more mainstream in manufacturing and production technique to scale-up to meet the demand for the GDT.

Two years ago, the GDT was perhaps the best winter traction tire that very few motorists had ever heard of.  Today, with much emphasis on sustainability, renewable resources, and anything 'green'... the GDT has become increasingly more associated with being an 'eco' tire and demand has increased to the point where our manufacturing flaws and bottlenecks came to a critical halt.

The GDT operation in the USA has always been under capitalized and so, having been associated with representing and distributing the product since 2004, i have been granted the opportunity to step into the breach... take on funding of the GDT operation and in essence... start from scratch and this time with adequate funding and production expertise.

Behind the scenes, production of the GDT has been greatly reduced for this year only while we make the necessary investment in facility, equipment, and most importantly, in my opinion, establishing non-destructive testing (NDT) technique and the physical stations to do so on our production floor.  While every GDT built to-date undergoes extensive visuual and physical testing, they do not yet undergo an internal structural analysis of both the casing condition nor the end result of the GDT remold process.  The inefficiency of the mode, is that our inspectors are instructed to err on the side of caution and therefore, approximately 80% of the casing evaluated do not pass this rigorous inspection even though the casing, under greater scrutiny of a NDT regimen, perhaps more casings are eligible to be remolded into GDTs.  So, there are efficiencies in both directions... certainly greater safety margins and potentially fewer rejected casings.  

Beginning next year, this process will be performed on every GDT produced.  Production will be increased with additional presses and molds and in-demand tire sizes.  Once again, we will be able to provide stocking inventory to the many, many tire retailers that have not been able to secure GDTs for this 2009 winter season.  We will be adding a number of national chains to the regional 'brick & mortar' outlets... as well as continuing on with retail internet sales.  Also, please look for a complete re-engineered GDT website... one up to contempary standards.

For now, we have our work cut out for us and we understand that we need to continuously earn your trust and referrals.  Rebranding of the company will remain largely viral and via word of mouth as we feel that our budget will be better applied to product improvement and greater availablity.

Thank you again, John... for this forum and kind regards to one and all.

Rich Gostenik

Owner / Green Diamond Tire - North America

        

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RE: Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

i purchased aset of green diamonds 2 yrs ago and loved them so this winter i decided to buy a new set well that was great but the site took my money and to date i have not redceived a thing and i have been trying  ever since i placed the order to have some contact with anyone but no luck   no one answers my phone messages  no one responds to my emails i am reaaly getting upset now because i had to buy a set of local tires and i am still out the money for the green diamond tires that no one will speak to me    i would suggest you people be very careful before you place an order with rich@green diamond tire  you may wind up like me   NO TIRES NO MONEY and i am talking roughly $400.00  not chump change   please be careful if you decide to buy from these people...

[John Gaudio here.  I haven't spoken to Rich a while, and will try to reach him.  My hope is that it's some sort of communication problem.  I hope you're able to resolve this issue promptly.  If you cannot reach him, and paid by credit card, consider contacting your credit card company to see if the charge can still be credited back to your account.]

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RE: Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

Pretty good discussion...

I think we should consider some security issues before placing an order. you can make complain about it to the consumer's forum in your area council. 

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RE: Green Diamond Tires Versus Studded Snow Tires

GDT checked out ?

I've had GDT tires for about 4 years now and up until recently, had no complaints. However, it does appear that Rich is not responding to emails so perhaps something has changed. I noticed that all the light duty truck tires are on a waiting list only ... and have sent multiple emails to Rich asking about when they will be available.

Meanwhile, after hitting a hidden metal bar only (4) of my (5) tires are usable .. and appears that it may not be possible to get a replacement. So sadly, with no response back from Rich -- I need to consider buying a entire new set of tires ... just so I can have a decent spare tire.

 Its really too bad, as I have always liked these tires and recommend them to everyone ...

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